People Always See the Butterfly: A Campfire Conversation with Carlos Walker

I sat down with Carlos Walker in front of a fireplace in Bethesda, Maryland. Carlos spent 13 years in prison. He’s sold over 14,000 books hand to hand. And he said something I keep coming back to: “People always see the butterfly. But you have to hear the caterpillar story.”

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The Cool Air of What Seems True: A Campfire Conversation with John Biewen

John Biewen is the host of Scene on Radio, one of the most important podcast series I've encountered. Sitting across a campfire from him was surreal. He didn't let me stay comfortable.

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